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Winnies Bro · Jul 29, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30

I just had this idea...

I could make an elementalist/warrior and get energy storage to 16, then put all over attribute points into hammer mastery, which would be good cos i got the game of the year edition so if i type /bonus i get a great hammer.

The good thing with this is that warriors have the lowerst energy in the game, so the very high level of the elementalists energy would be great!

Sorry, this was rushed a lot.

scythefromunder · Jul 29, 2009, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Noo...bad idea....really bad....

Eles don't have armor ratings like warriors.
Hammer bars don't rely on energy, more on adrenaline.

zelgadissan · Jul 29, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Do you know why warriors have the "lowerst" energy in the game? Because they don't need it to rape face. Adrenaline is your friend.

Basically you want to make a 60 AL target with -75 Health (thanks to Superior Energy Storage rune) into an upfront melee character. This is not remotely great.

MagmaRed · Jul 29, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42

If anything, an E/W using a hammer would want to max Earth, not Energy Storage. That way you could use skills to boost your armor to stay alive while in melee, as well as do some damage using the knockdown ability of hammers. But any way you slice it, the idea is bad. If you want to use a hammer, use a Warrior or Ranger. Casters won't do well with a hammer.

Bob Slydell · Jul 29, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13

An E/W melee attacking isn't a good idea really. Warriors have low energy because they don't use energy as much with their warrior builds. They tend to use adrenaline. If you have problems with energy on your warrior you can use Zealous weapon attachments or inscriptions that give you more energy (Usually +5). Certain runes and insignias can give more energy too.

lewis91 · Jul 29, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Nahhh man, its been thought of before, but 60al is crap, you'l be decimated in pvp, and badly hurt in pve.

Nanood · Jul 29, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

What about a w/e with shock and conjure frost..

Eh? What.? Oh it's already been done.

Pony Slaystation · Jul 29, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

On a similar topic.... this reminds me of my friend when he first started.
"I made a sweet build! I'm a W/N, with hammer skills, and Animate Flesh Golem! That way, in Random Arenas, I can kill enemies with my hammer, then make a Flesh Golem out of them!"
Yes... he actually did say that.

Xenomortis · Jul 30, 2009, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Warriors basically take 29% less armour dependant damage than casters (50% less for physical damage). This is largely how a Warrior can survive easily on the front lines. The fact that Elementalists take full damage from everything, is the reason why they succumb quickly on the front line.

Your suggested setup uses a Superior Rune, which on a frontliner is a terrible idea. The reason being, 75 less maximum health is going to hurt when your face is full of ugly monster.
To make this worse, the superior rune is for Energy Storage which is in fact, a waste. As you seem to want to use hammer attacks (hammer mastery), you don't need much energy. Energy Storage has next to no useful skills for this purpose.
Also, the passive bonus from Energy Storage is not very useful either (you don't require much energy remember), which means running an Elementalist primary is both pointless and, taking into account the first paragraph, stupid.

Arista · Jul 30, 2009, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Yeah and while you're at it why don't you make a E/Mo so you can heal with moar energy!

king_trouble · Jul 30, 2009, 12:36 AM // 00:36

I wouldn't mind facing your e/w with a hammer against my w/e shock axe

_Nihilist_ · Jul 30, 2009, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Arista

Yeah and while you're at it why don't you make a E/Mo so you can heal with moar energy!

I take it you've never played an E/Mo Ether Renewal Spambot? They can keep entire parties Prot'ed and healed.

refer · Jul 30, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Oh my god. I'm sorry, but this is such a bad idea. If you have noticed, many warriors go head to head with other warriors... unless you throw up a ward or something (which would break putting all points into hammer mastery), you wn't stand that much of a chance. Then comes the fact that KD will likely happen and that prevents skill activation so where is all your energy then?

Evasion Twenty · Jul 30, 2009, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

I take it you've never played an E/Mo Ether Renewal Spambot? They can keep entire parties Prot'ed and healed.

With significant self heals and no energy probs unless you end up with enchantment removal

NeHoMaR · Jul 30, 2009, 01:35 AM // 01:35

I know a good Hammer build for a Ele/Warrior, actually is fun to play. But you don't need Energy Storage at 16, the one you need is Earth Magic, so you knockdown and cast Aftershock; and because you are inside the action, you can use: Sliver Armor, Armor of Earth, and Wards.

Winterclaw · Jul 30, 2009, 02:25 AM // 02:25

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I could make an elementalist/warrior and get energy storage to 16, then put all over attribute points into hammer mastery

I think this build will earn your el a darwin award because it is one of the worst ideas ever. Suggesting that you take a low AL class, lower its hp by 75, and make it frontline means you are either a troll or you really need to read up on how the game works.

If you want to knock stuff down, bring gale or play an earth build.

Chthon · Jul 30, 2009, 03:01 AM // 03:01

No, that is not a good idea...

draxynnic · Jul 30, 2009, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Being more productive, while elementalist frontliners can work, they tend to either rely on Earth Magic enchantments to reinforce their defenses or on killing the enemy so fast it doesn't matter with PBAOEs (and I personally have doubts as to the viability of the latter. I've met people who swear by it, but, well, they also seemed to die by it...)

Warriors, on the other hand, have no need for THAT much energy. Heck, Elementalists usually don't need that much energy.

Winnies Bro · Jul 30, 2009, 08:52 AM // 08:52

There must be SOME benefit to high energy for a warrior! THINK! I can't think of one...

I've changed my mind! Instead of using the sudering rhino's charge hammer, i will use me zealous adaminite falchion blade of warding my nightfall warrior is currently using, combined with Tiger's Roar that I got from the GotY edition.

Abedeus · Jul 30, 2009, 09:54 AM // 09:54

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

There must be SOME benefit to high energy for a warrior! THINK! I can't think of one...

I've changed my mind! Instead of using the sudering rhino's charge hammer, i will use me zealous adaminite falchion blade of warding my nightfall warrior is currently using, combined with Tiger's Roar that I got from the GotY edition.

We have been playing the game for 4 years and up. There is no stupider thing to do than putting 12 points into Energy Storage, then dumping a Superior rune into an ES headgear, equipping a melee weapon and trying to kill something.

60AL + melee + superior rune = death in few seconds. Especially in Hard Mode.

You are trolling now, right?

Jul 29, 2009, 07:30 PM // 19:30	#1
Winnies Bro Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2009 Profession: W/R	Is this a good idea?(I think it is!) I just had this idea... I could make an elementalist/warrior and get energy storage to 16, then put all over attribute points into hammer mastery, which would be good cos i got the game of the year edition so if i type /bonus i get a great hammer. The good thing with this is that warriors have the lowerst energy in the game, so the very high level of the elementalists energy would be great! Sorry, this was rushed a lot.

Jul 30, 2009, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#13
refer Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US	Oh my god. I'm sorry, but this is such a bad idea. If you have noticed, many warriors go head to head with other warriors... unless you throw up a ward or something (which would break putting all points into hammer mastery), you wn't stand that much of a chance. Then comes the fact that KD will likely happen and that prevents skill activation so where is all your energy then? Last edited by refer; Jul 30, 2009 at 01:11 AM // 01:11..

Jul 29, 2009, 07:35 PM // 19:35	#2
scythefromunder Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: CA Guild: Tears Of The Ascended [ToA]	Noo...bad idea....really bad.... Eles don't have armor ratings like warriors. Hammer bars don't rely on energy, more on adrenaline.

Jul 29, 2009, 07:37 PM // 19:37	#3
zelgadissan Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: The Warrior Priests [WP] Profession: Me/Rt	Do you know why warriors have the "lowerst" energy in the game? Because they don't need it to rape face. Adrenaline is your friend. Basically you want to make a 60 AL target with -75 Health (thanks to Superior Energy Storage rune) into an upfront melee character. This is not remotely great.

Jul 29, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42	#4
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	If anything, an E/W using a hammer would want to max Earth, not Energy Storage. That way you could use skills to boost your armor to stay alive while in melee, as well as do some damage using the knockdown ability of hammers. But any way you slice it, the idea is bad. If you want to use a hammer, use a Warrior or Ranger. Casters won't do well with a hammer.

Jul 29, 2009, 08:13 PM // 20:13	#5
Bob Slydell Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2007	An E/W melee attacking isn't a good idea really. Warriors have low energy because they don't use energy as much with their warrior builds. They tend to use adrenaline. If you have problems with energy on your warrior you can use Zealous weapon attachments or inscriptions that give you more energy (Usually +5). Certain runes and insignias can give more energy too.

Jul 29, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37	#6
lewis91 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Wales Guild: Order of the Azurelight[OA] Profession: E/	Nahhh man, its been thought of before, but 60al is crap, you'l be decimated in pvp, and badly hurt in pve.

Jul 29, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53	#7
Nanood Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Supermans Crystal Palace Guild: Legion Of The Dark Sun	What about a w/e with shock and conjure frost.. Eh? What.? Oh it's already been done.

Jul 29, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35	#8
Pony Slaystation Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cardboard Box Guild: Guilds are irrelevant. This... is...... BUILD WARS!!! Profession: Rt/	On a similar topic.... this reminds me of my friend when he first started. "I made a sweet build! I'm a W/N, with hammer skills, and Animate Flesh Golem! That way, in Random Arenas, I can kill enemies with my hammer, then make a Flesh Golem out of them!" Yes... he actually did say that.

Jul 30, 2009, 12:33 AM // 00:33	#9
Xenomortis Tea Powered Join Date: May 2008 Location: UK Profession: N/	Warriors basically take 29% less armour dependant damage than casters (50% less for physical damage). This is largely how a Warrior can survive easily on the front lines. The fact that Elementalists take full damage from everything, is the reason why they succumb quickly on the front line. Your suggested setup uses a Superior Rune, which on a frontliner is a terrible idea. The reason being, 75 less maximum health is going to hurt when your face is full of ugly monster. To make this worse, the superior rune is for Energy Storage which is in fact, a waste. As you seem to want to use hammer attacks (hammer mastery), you don't need much energy. Energy Storage has next to no useful skills for this purpose. Also, the passive bonus from Energy Storage is not very useful either (you don't require much energy remember), which means running an Elementalist primary is both pointless and, taking into account the first paragraph, stupid.

Jul 30, 2009, 12:35 AM // 00:35	#10
Arista Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: We Dont Accept [Visa] Profession: Mo/	Yeah and while you're at it why don't you make a E/Mo so you can heal with moar energy!

Jul 30, 2009, 12:36 AM // 00:36	#11
king_trouble Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: In the Realm of the Gods Guild: The High Chroniclez Profession: A/	I wouldn't mind facing your e/w with a hammer against my w/e shock axe

Jul 30, 2009, 01:35 AM // 01:35	#15
NeHoMaR Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006	I know a good Hammer build for a Ele/Warrior, actually is fun to play. But you don't need Energy Storage at 16, the one you need is Earth Magic, so you knockdown and cast Aftershock; and because you are inside the action, you can use: Sliver Armor, Armor of Earth, and Wards.

Jul 30, 2009, 03:01 AM // 03:01	#17
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	No, that is not a good idea...

Jul 30, 2009, 04:11 AM // 04:11	#18
draxynnic Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: [CRFH]	Being more productive, while elementalist frontliners can work, they tend to either rely on Earth Magic enchantments to reinforce their defenses or on killing the enemy so fast it doesn't matter with PBAOEs (and I personally have doubts as to the viability of the latter. I've met people who swear by it, but, well, they also seemed to die by it...) Warriors, on the other hand, have no need for THAT much energy. Heck, Elementalists usually don't need that much energy.

Jul 30, 2009, 08:52 AM // 08:52	#19
Winnies Bro Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2009 Profession: W/R	There must be SOME benefit to high energy for a warrior! THINK! I can't think of one... I've changed my mind! Instead of using the sudering rhino's charge hammer, i will use me zealous adaminite falchion blade of warding my nightfall warrior is currently using, combined with Tiger's Roar that I got from the GotY edition.